With the recent release of the Beatles Rock Band video game, Foley and I enter the fray to debate Rock Band: good or bad? It started with a heads up about a compelling
NY Times Magazine article about the game, and went from there (reprinted here without permission, hopefully he doesn't mind...).
To DaveFrom FoleyYeah, you know I saw that last night and it was a pretty interesting read. Those NY Times magazine pieces are usually worthwhile.
And you know (not surprisingly?), I've probably been one of those snobby typesthe article identifies as "real musicians who find themselves offended by rock band." I've been a broadband hater, though, what with my extreme dislike of karaoke for similar reasons.
Still, McCartney made what may have been the most insightful point when he talked about so many things start out as simplistic nonsense, and then get turned in to important art forms with more substance later.
I admit it would be interesting to hear that game just for the remixes. I haven't heard the music from the "Love" show, but remember reading the NYT article on that back when that was coming out, and that does sound like it would be a pretty cool thing to check out on a surround sound system.
Addendum:
This is the only
karaoke/lip synching thing I can get behind. We all have exceptions? But not everybody can be as awesome as this guy. Him and Ferris Bueller. The only two that can pull it off.
To FoleyFrom DaveThat's the most horrible thing I've seen in a while. He kinda has your facial expressions at the beginning. Like he's hearing the bells of an approaching meat trolley, and the rest is pure glee once he knows there's brisket.
As you could guess I'm a Rock Band fan. This part felt right:
“Everyone comes into the world with this innate desire to make music,” Rigopulos said, “and almost everyone tries to learn an instrument at some point. And the overwhelming majority of these people quit after a few months or a few years because it is just too damn difficult. They spend the rest of their lives loving music, and listening to music, and playing a lot of air guitar, but not having any outlet for that innate urge they feel.”
To DaveFrom FoleyYeah. I mean there's a more interesting digression to go in to from that Rigopulos quote, and it's one that the article didn't take.
It would kind of be it's own long article, but the basic gist of it would have to do with the idea that for most of human history (and pre-history), music has been something that everybody participated in. Literally everybody. One of my former profs Dan Levitin tells an anecdote in his book "This Is Your Brain On Music" about western anthropologists who will visit some remote tribe, and the people are shocked when the anthropologist says he "can't play music." Even in this country, music was for a good long time something that people did in their living rooms and was a community activity. We're certainly biologically wired to do it-- it may have developed earlier than or hand-in-hand with language. Enough studies show that spending time doing it is really all it takes to be a good musician, not any special genius. I guess because I grew up playing a lot of that traditional American folk music, I can tell you it's not all that hard to play. Plenty of other music, including a lot of rock and pop is pretty simple, too. If all else fails you've got punk rock, which you could be a drooling idiot and play. The hours a lot of people spend playing Rock Band might make someone a half decent musician.
The problem isn't that music is difficult, so I guess I disagree. The bigger picture is that, in western culture anyway, there's been a shift towards the notion that it's something to watch experts or rock stars do while "untalented" people watch and admire. This was always there a bit with classical music being differentiated from "regular people's music", ie the kind that the majority of people played. But when in the 20th century when music became something to be consumed, that shift went through a massive acceleration. Stop playing, start paying? There's nothing wrong with watching great musicians play. But there is something a little sad about an entire culture being that it's only worth doing yourself if you play air guitar. The superficial strutting is promoted, but it's all shine and no substance.
Now, as it related to Rock Band, the interesting discussion might be if instead of being something to look down upon, it actually fosters the idea that music is something fun that everybody can participate in. It puts it back in the living room. Even if the music is "music", in some odd simulacrum. Maybe?
But with Rock Band, the implicit value system is that people should go through the motions of imitating, but not creating. It's like with improv; so many people are convinced that "oh, I'm not creative." But little do they know, everyone can learn to improvise. Yes, I know it's just a game ... and that part of the NYT article made some semi-persuasive points along the lines of "chill out, people are just having fun." But even so, does it only fuel the cultural idea that music is for rockstars, and the best you can ever do is fake it. Even if the game itself is just game, it still promotes that trend.
Huzzah!
Clearly I need something better to do.
To FoleyFrom DaveFirst, let me note that the Mercer Island, WA little league team just put the smackdown on the Salem, OR little league team to advance to the Little League World Series. Suck it, Salem!
Okay then. I understand where you're coming from but I don't think Rock Band will have any negative impact on creativity or the number of people who choose to be musicians. I would wager that it's the other way around, actually, that people are reinvigorated by the accessibility of Rock Band and become more interested in music. Not saying everyone will, but I'm wagering it'll be a net positive. For me, it's not like I was going to start playing guitar in my free time anyway, and now that I have Rock Band I'm scratching that idea and starting a fake band called Wild Simulacrum. If anything, the game has piqued my interest in learning some guitar chords so someday I can wander around downtown playing Peter Paul & Mary songs and singing in falsetto. I'm dreaming the dream.
It's way too early to know what effect Rock Band will have on music creation, but I think pretending to be a rock star makes people think they can actually be musicians, instead of thinking that there's a gap between rock stars and regular people that will never be bridged.
Finally, apropos of nothing, thought you might like
a quick video of me taken shortly after a bee stung me on my face.